Virgil Goode under Fire across the MSM Wasteland
Virgil Goode under Fire across the MSM Wasteland
I have posted previously that Congressman Virgil Goode (R-VA) has posted his disgust with both incoming Democratic (and Muslim) Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison who has decided to be sworn in with his hand on a copy of the Qur’an.
Moreover Goode is in the hot seat for opposing continuation of the high rate of Muslim immigration into this country.
An example of the liberal harrumphing of Mr. Goode’s position can be read here. (Hat tip: realclearpolitics.)
To Mr. Goode’s credit, he is not backing down from his stand, despite the barrage of the ongoing facile, kneejerk MSM pummeling.
Michelle Malkin, on her site, links to a video presentation by Robert Spencer (of JihadWatch fame) discussing this development. This is a must-see video.
For the record: I am in TOTAL agreement with Goode on this one. Ellison is ripping at the fabric of our country by being sworn in with his hand on a copy of the (jihad-teaching) Qur’an.
Moreover, the Bush Administration – following the lead of its pathetic, Dhimmified State Department Arabists – continues to permit MORE and MORE Muslims into this country, both to study and to immigrate.
Update: I just noticed that blogger La Shawn Barber has a great post defending Congressman Goode. Read it!
I have posted previously that Congressman Virgil Goode (R-VA) has posted his disgust with both incoming Democratic (and Muslim) Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison who has decided to be sworn in with his hand on a copy of the Qur’an.
Moreover Goode is in the hot seat for opposing continuation of the high rate of Muslim immigration into this country.
An example of the liberal harrumphing of Mr. Goode’s position can be read here. (Hat tip: realclearpolitics.)
To Mr. Goode’s credit, he is not backing down from his stand, despite the barrage of the ongoing facile, kneejerk MSM pummeling.
Michelle Malkin, on her site, links to a video presentation by Robert Spencer (of JihadWatch fame) discussing this development. This is a must-see video.
For the record: I am in TOTAL agreement with Goode on this one. Ellison is ripping at the fabric of our country by being sworn in with his hand on a copy of the (jihad-teaching) Qur’an.
Moreover, the Bush Administration – following the lead of its pathetic, Dhimmified State Department Arabists – continues to permit MORE and MORE Muslims into this country, both to study and to immigrate.
Update: I just noticed that blogger La Shawn Barber has a great post defending Congressman Goode. Read it!
posted by GunJam at 5:24 PM
51 Comments:
The Bible is full of violence and other obscene and ridiculous content, too. So what's your point?
HAIL ODIN!!!!
well... let's see... let me guess you posted your comment from a country with a predominately Christian (rather than Muslim) legal and cultural tradition? If so, case closed. ;-) -- gunjam
well... let's see... let me guess you posted your comment from a country with a predominately Christian (rather than Muslim) legal and cultural tradition? If so, case closed. ;-) -- gunjam
Christianity just starts with a Jewish base, then rips off Mithraism, Hinduism, Mahayana Buddhism, and Norse/Anglo-Saxon paganism. So what's your point?
Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic faiths coming from the same sources, and their wingnut fundamentalist groups all sound the same to me. Before Mohammed, Arabs worshipped many gods like everyone else did. So did the Hebrews; the God Abraham made his pact with was just one among a wide pantheon. I've always thought that monotheism promotes intolerance---doesn't matter what kind. So, again, what's your point?
BTW---Christianity is 2000 years old; Islam is only about 1200 years old.
So this is like comparing the maturity of a 20 year old and a 12 year old.
What kind of shit were the Christians doing 800 years ago? Not much good. In fact, Islamic civilization was more advanced at the time---paved roads, Damascene steel, heavy siege engines, advanced mathematics, astronomy, proper hygiene, etc....
Islamic culture over all has slipped behind since then, but not because of the elite (31337?) intellectuals in their countries---but because of WINGNUTS like you. The only difference between you and a fanatical Muslim is the book you (claim to) follow---and that's it. The same anti-intellectual attitudes, the same backwards beliefs, the same patrio-fascist rhetoric---all intact.
'Liberals' are hated in Saudi Arabia, too, of course.
I predict that, over time, the zeal associated with Islam now, that was once associated with medieval Christianity will just fizzle out. There isn't going to be some kind apocalyptic battle...that's just a warblogging dipshit's wet dream. Of course, as with Christian wingnuts like yourself, there's always going to be some lunatic fringe looking at the good ole days with rose-coloured glasses, back when it was OK to torture and kill people only because they disagreed with you.
So if Democracy is not good for Muslims here in America then why the F**K did we just spend 1.7 trillion dollars and close to 3000 American lives to bring Democracy to Muslims in Iraq? Hello?
So if Democracy is not good for Muslims here in America then why the F**K did we just spend 1.7 trillion dollars and close to 3000 American lives to bring Democracy to Muslims in Iraq? Hello?
Premise: the number of logical flaws in foaming-at-the-mouth wingnut arguments is infinite
1. Assume that the number of flaws is a finite number, p.
2. Someone else will show up and point out another flaw, which makes p + 1.
3. Statement 1 is incorrect, and therefore the number of logical flaws in foaming-at-the-mouth wingnut arguments is infinite.
QED, bitch
The vocative 'bitch' was of course directed at the host, not syntax.
(I've always been a bigger fan of semantics, anyway...)
The answer is simple:
OIL
vindalf -- once again: move to a MUSLIM-controlled country and try to speak and write like this. You will be silenced. And you know it.
Ergo: There is NO comparison between Christianity and Islam.
Your arguments about the origins of Christianity are ludicrous.
You are likely not as erudite as you let on. ;-)
--gunjam
vindalf -- once again: move to a MUSLIM-controlled country and try to speak and write like this. You will be silenced. And you know it.
Here's the World Audit Press Freedom ranking for countries with populations over 1 million:
http://www.worldaudit.org/press.htm
A number of Muslim countries (such as Mali) have a higher rank than countries you are busy smearing. And it turns out your Ethiopian heros rank #125. So shut the fuck up.
(The highest ranked country is Finland...BATTLE!!!! METAL!!!!)
Ergo: There is NO comparison between Christianity and Islam.
They're both intolerant, monotheistic faiths. Their respective texts are full of graphic and needless violence, and are scientifically inaccurate.
Plenty of comparisons. Unless you have blinkers on and think that NOBODY ever used Christianity as a tool to oppress people.
"Back in the old days...in Scandinvia...when the first Christian pilgrims came to our country, my ancestors used to hang them in trees, because they talked. Too. Much." --- Johan Hegg
Your arguments about the origins of Christianity are ludicrous.
Elaborate, rather than just giving a predictable knee-jerk wingnut reaction. Nothing is "ludicrous" by fiat.
The Hindus have long believed that we are in a stage of time called the Kali Yuga, an era of wasting morality which will come to a head in a cataclysmic battle between the forces of good and evil. Vishnu, the Preserver aspect of the Hindu Trimurti (or...TRINITY) will ride in on a PALE HORSE as the Kalki Avatar and slay the wicked with a sword. Vishnu defeats evil and inaugurates a new era of righteousness, JUST LIKE in Revelations.
And, of course, they believed this well ere Christians did. They believed in a trinity and that the Preserver ('Saviour') aspect of this trinity would take the shape of human flesh to save mankind. There are almost too many common points to list.
The fact is, many religions have such end times scenarios, including that of my ancestors. Christianity is just part of a web of religious traditions that span almost all of the Old World.
Ya, I am as erudite as a lead on. So, again, STFU.
So why the fuck did we invade Iraq then? Was bringing them democracy really just a facade?
vindalf, vindalf, vindalf! -- my, how you rage. Incidentlly, you have hardly established your scholarly bona fides with these rants. Such statements as "STFU" HARDLY lend credibility to your claims of erudition.
Please beware of mixing apples and oranges -- not the sign of a disciplined, trained, "erudite" mind: What does the justification for the invasion of Iraq (a legitimate topic for debate in itself, to be sure) have to do with the debate at hand -- namely, the relative value of cultures dominated by the ethos of Christian faith vs. those dominated by the Islamic faith? (Hint: Nothing.)
In addition, your sloppy assertion that Christianity has "ripped off" concepts from ancient pagan religions such as Mithraism is risible. Dropping an 'esoteric' name like Mithraism hardly makes you the scholar you apparently fancy yourself to be. (Hint: Yes. I have heard of Mithraism before. And...?)
Biblical Christianity was whelped by Judaism, period. (You were partly right -- but completely wrong in this.) Any other theory is anti-Semitic fantasizing.
Also, you appear to be adept at penning religious fiction: The Scriptures make it clear that the God with Whom Abraham made his pact was NOT "just one among a wide pantheon" -- that is rather wishful thinking asserted by anti-Semitic and anti-Christian ideologues such as yourself.
Moreover, your inability to distinguish morally between Islam and Christianity does not speak well of your powers of spiritual discernment: You would level all religions to justify your own pagan agnosticism. I suspect that i can find many, many women living under brutal subjection in Islamic countries who could only WISH to enjoy the freedoms offered by their counterparts in Christian-based cultures.
Saying other religions have an eschatology is a tautology. Having A view of the eschaton is not the issue: Having an ACCURATE picture of the eschaton is. The Old and New Testaments coalesce beautifully to present a unified view of the End Times -- a view that is unique in all of religion.
Interjecting a discourse in Hindu theology -- while it gives you a chance to display your ersatz scholarship -- simply muddies the waters at this point, as it is simply not germane to the discussion at hand. (Apples and oranges, Vindalf! APPLES AND ORANGES!)
By the way, I am not familiar with World Audit Press Freedom, so I will withhold judgment on what they say. However, you are apparently too ignorant to realize that you are mocking yourself when you flaunt Finland as number one in their poll: Have you looked at a Finnish flag lately? (Cross? Get it, Vindalf?)
Finally, the MOST ludicrous assertion you make is this one:
"BTW---Christianity is 2000 years old; Islam is only about 1200 years old.
So this is like comparing the maturity of a 20 year old and a 12 year old."
Huh? Since when do religions have humanoid life spans? Moreover, even using your own logic, by this stage in Christianity's development, we already had the Magna Carta. Islam, on the other hand, has given us al-Qae'da and videotaped beheadings performed with dull instruments. Islam is clearly the bad seed of the Abrahamic faith clans.
Speaking of dull instruments... Vindalf's mind is a perfect example of one.
-- gunjam
Please beware of mixing apples and oranges -- not the sign of a disciplined, trained,
Apparently you've never heard turns of phrases like: "appels met PEREN vergelijken" Oh, dear...
In addition, your sloppy assertion that Christianity has "ripped off" concepts from ancient pagan religions such as Mithraism is risible. Dropping an 'esoteric' name like Mithraism hardly makes you the scholar you apparently fancy yourself to be. (Hint: Yes. I have heard of Mithraism before. And...?)
Here ya go.
Biblical Christianity was whelped by Judaism, period. (You were partly right -- but completely wrong in this.) Any other theory is anti-Semitic fantasizing.
LOL. One step away from Godwin's Law. Real classy.
Also, you appear to be adept at penning religious fiction: The Scriptures make it clear that the God with Whom Abraham made his pact was NOT "just one among a wide pantheon" -- that is rather wishful thinking asserted by anti-Semitic and anti-Christian ideologues such as yourself.
I'll admit that 'El' (who became 'God') was very special among that pantheon.
So why did they start hating on Baal?
Moreover, your inability to distinguish morally between Islam and Christianity does not speak well of your powers of spiritual discernment: You would level all religions to justify your own pagan agnosticism. I suspect that i can find many, many women living under brutal subjection in Islamic countries who could only WISH to enjoy the freedoms offered by their counterparts in Christian-based cultures.
Traditional Christian attitudes towards women: pure comedy gold:
"Woman is a temple built upon a sewer." -- Boethius, _The Consolation of Philosophy
"To embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure..." --- Odo of Cluny
"...nothing [deficient] or defective should have been produced in the first establishment of things; so woman ought not to have been produced then." --- St. Thomas of Aquinas
Lutherans at Wittenberg of course debated whether women are even PEOPLE, and of course the Reformation was followed by several hundred years of intensely misogynistic witch hunting.
You couldn't have picked a better way to shoot yourself in the foot.
Interjecting a discourse in Hindu theology -- while it gives you a chance to display your ersatz scholarship -- simply muddies the waters at this point, as it is simply not germane to the discussion at hand. (Apples and oranges, Vindalf! APPLES AND ORANGES!)
Try finding the phrase 'apples and pears' on this page.
Ye gods, are you a stupid fucker...
By the way, I am not familiar with World Audit Press Freedom, so I will withhold judgment on what they say. However, you are apparently too ignorant to realize that you are mocking yourself when you flaunt Finland as number one in their poll: Have you looked at a Finnish flag lately? (Cross? Get it, Vindalf?)
So what? Every single day of the week is named after a pagan deity or object of worship. Today is Saturn's Day. Yesterday was Frigg's Day, and tomorrow will be Sun's Day. And don't even get me started on Eostre and Jul...
Also, the word 'man', present in one form or another in all Germanic languages I know, implicitly acknowledges Manu as the progenitor of MANkind. Compare the Hindi 'manav' (from Sanskrit, language of Hindus) and the later synonym, 'admi', meaning 'descendant of Adam' (from Arabic, language of...well...Muslims).
But that's besides the point. You put your foot in your mouth by glorifying the autocratic government of Ethiopia.
(Oh, and try Googling: 'ethiopia women's rights' and see what comes up, 'tard.)
Huh? Since when do religions have humanoid life spans? Moreover, even using your own logic, by this stage in Christianity's development, we already had the Magna Carta. Islam, on the other hand, has given us al-Qae'da and videotaped beheadings performed with dull instruments. Islam is clearly the bad seed of the Abrahamic faith clans.
The Seljuk Turks and other Muslim people living in the Middle East at the time of the Crusades had advanced knowledge of science and mathematics, hygiene, multi-story stone architecture, paved roads, good city infrastructure, etc.
In contrast, you had Christian nutters like the aforementioned St. Thomas of Aquinas who thought that mathematics was the work of Satan and that the world was flat.
Speaking of dull instruments... Vindalf's mind is a perfect example of one.
Bullshit. Wingnut rhetoric can be reduced to a computer program. Proof of concept.
Oh, and here's the etymological data for 'man', poopsy. (link).
You would level all religions to justify your own pagan agnosticism.
Agnostic? LOL... :Þ ... just practicing Jul like we did in geardagum.
Ah, and the whole point of bringing up the motivations for the Iraq war is that the majority of Iraqis are Muslim and therefore allegedly unfit for the democracy the US were supposed to be bringing them, thus reducing all the lofty, noble BushCo rhetoric about "planting seeds of freedom" or whatever to absurdity...
You seem to have overlooked that...
You said:
Biblical Christianity was whelped by Judaism, period. (You were partly right -- but completely wrong in this.) Any other theory is anti-Semitic fantasizing.
I said:
LOL. One step away from Godwin's Law. Real classy.
LOL, you are a cheap motherfucker. How low can you go, really? Fortunately, my worn hauberk of riveted mail will turn all Wingnut-brands.
Two of my best friends are Ashkenazic Jews (albeit non-practicing) and I once attended a Seder for a family friend because he needed some extra members to read the texts.
Everyone knows computer programmers have to associate with Jews. It's, like, the unwritten rule.
That's what I like about Judaism---they don't piss around in everyone else's affairs like Christians and Muslims do. And that, I guess, is the crux of my contempt for the latter two, and why I tend to lump them together.
Well...contempt for the religions actually. I don't hate individual Christians and Muslims (one of the nicest guys I know is a Bosnian Muslim), but the religions themselves and the wingnut sects in both bug the living Hel out of me...
vindalf, your biggest problem is that you have a major problem with Christianity and -- far more importantly -- with its Christ.
All the rest is just sound and fury of no real significance.
Oh, sure, you used this blog to showcase your eclectic knowledge -- a little Dutch here, a little history there, and a bit of Middle English or Sanskrit etymology over there....
... But for what? Your penultimate post pretty well lays bare what is driving you to such a flurry of froth-mouthed posts on this forum:
"That's what I like about Judaism---they don't piss around in everyone else's affairs like Christians and Muslims do. And that, I guess, is the crux of my contempt for the latter two, and why I tend to lump them together."
Thus quoth the learned (self-acclaimed erudite) vindalf.
-- gunjam
vindalf, your biggest problem is that you have a major problem with Christianity and -- far more importantly -- with its Christ.
Wow, nice riposte, JammedGun. I see you have nothing to say about the sophistication of Middle Eastern culture at the time of the Crusades, nothing to say about deep-rooted misogyny (and other bizarre, fanatical, and/or violent thought) in Christianity, nothing to say about the total privation of press and women's freedom in the Ethiopia you so gladly championed, and nothing to say about anything else I said. I'll bet you take wingers like Kent Hovind and his 'water canopy' bullshit seriously too.
So I clicked the refresh button fifty times FOR THIS?
Oh, sure, you used this blog to showcase your eclectic knowledge -- a little Dutch here, a little history there, and a bit of Middle English or Sanskrit etymology over there....
Well, for starters, you threw a little titty baby shitfit about my use of the phrase 'apples and pears', but that's what I'm accustomed to, after all. When will you Americans learn to speak the English language we worked so hard to craft for you?
Second, I didn't mention Middle English anywhere, so I have no idea what you are talking about there.
Third, you pointed out the Nordic cross as a Christian root, and I then proceeded to point out not one, not two, but THREE pagan roots of today's society. So you brought that on yourself again.
Yggdrasil has many ROOTS!
One day, you will find yourself wading through the brackish, frigid waters of Hel and regret turning away from the All-father who died upon that tree for our salvation, and ultimately conquered death...
"That's what I like about Judaism---they don't piss around in everyone else's affairs like Christians and Muslims do. And that, I guess, is the crux of my contempt for the latter two, and why I tend to lump them together."
The shoe fits. Read about the Goa Inquisition sometime.
"Those that scaped the fire were slaine with the sword; some hewed to peeces, others rune throw with their rapiers, so as they were quickly dispatche, and very few escaped. It was conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fyer, and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stincke and sente there of, but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave the prayers thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them, thus to inclose their enemise in their hands, and gave them so speedy a victory over so proud and insulting an enimie."
--- William Bradford, _History of the Plimoth Plantation_
The truth hurts, JammedBrain.
vindalf: You're all over the map again; a reference to the Goa Inquisition here and William Bradford here.
All this proves what? Once again: Go live in Syria, Iran, or Yemen and try to post this kind of stuff in a public forum. You will not be tolerated; yet you are tolerated in Western Europe(for now anyway, until the jihadists finally take over there, as they are apparently well on their way to doing) and North America.
Your pagan ingratitude for the Christian heritage that gladly grants you the freedom to use spew your vile invective speaks of the maturity of a spoiled adolescent who is proud of his ability both to throw out crude language on the one hand, and to toss around non-sequitur, off-topic factoids on the other.
Once again, you resort reflexively to ad hominem arguments, thereby telling all and sundry that you realize at heart that you don't have a leg to stand on morally, logically, or intellectually.
You love grasping at straws as well building straw men. Please show me a single post where I expressed appreciation for women's rights in Ethiopia? Silly, really. I praised Ethiopia for having the cojones to take the fight to the Jihadis in Somalia. That is an appreciation of their foreign policy; not their human rights record. Only an adolescent mind would take a word of praise for a country's (or an individual's) actions in a certain situation as an endorsement of their every action, thought or policy.
That said: If i were an black African woman and had to choose my home, given only those two choices -- Somalia and Ethiopia -- I would surely choose Ethiopia. At least then, I might be able to retain my clitoris intact for all my days on this planet. But, perhaps you -- enlightened and erudite pagan that you are -- might choose to live in Somalia? (To ask the question is to answer it: We all know that you will stay in the West -- even while you choose to trash it in forums like this.)
Oh, and as far as using apples and pears instead of apples and oranges, it matters not to me. I hardly threw fit about it: You are the one that made the turn of phrase an issue to begin with. Actually, I thank you for enlightening me as to the European usage. I rather like it.
Regarding the alleged misogyny of Christianity, i am compelled to ask you: Look around the world today and tell me who is oppressing women the more between Christians and Muslims. I will answer that with just two terms: 1) honor killings; and (2) clitoridectomies. Oh great defender of women, tell me which culture is responsible for more of either (1) or (2).
Anyway, you sound as though you got your feminist talking points from the "Womyn's Center" at the nearest university to your home.
By the way, thank you for correcting me: geardagum is apparently an Old English term (not a Middle English term). But, again this matter is peripheral in the extreme, wholly detached from the discussion at hand. (No argument here that our European forebears were pagan. Glad I am a Christian, however.)
Since you asked: I do indeed give serious credence to the possibility of there having been an antediluvian water canopy. Actually, the words of Genesis rather require it. But, once again: this has nothing to do with our debate. You are simply on a raiding party, knocking over furniture as you run through this forum. You are a true norse pagan all right. Hope you find the LORD one of these days.
Are you trying to assert that there is no Christian (specifically, Lutheran) symbolism in the flags of the Scandinavian countries? Really? You are telling us that it is a pagan symbol? Probably stolen from Mithraism whole cloth, right, vindalf? Again you at your most risible here.
Regarding your points that there are pagan elements in our society today, I never intended to argue with that. The point being is that -- in the West -- the Christian ethic prevailed for centuries over the pagan strands in our society. That trend appears to be reversing at this time. However, most the freedoms we hold most dear now were achieved under the reign of the Christian ethic -- not the pagan.
Incidentally, your link to Mithraism was an exercise in futility; like i said: "I have heard of Mithraism." Like I said: "And....?" (Translation: So what? Christianity is not a knock-off of -- or even a partial knock-off of Mithraism, as much as you and your pagan buddies might wish to make us believe such tripe.
Regarding your repeated references to the advanced state of Muslim culture during the times of the Crusades, you lose on at least two counts:
1) My previously stated point being that Christian-based culture produced the Magna Carta; Islam has NEVER produced anything of the sort (or, perhaps you prefer 1,001 Nights?); and 2) YOU asserted that Islam, being the younger of the two religions as compared to Christianity has not yet matured to the same degree of glory as Christianity. Hmmm, if Islam was so advanced back in the Crusades, and is so backwards today, you will have to admit that -- quite the opposite of growing and maturing -- Islamic culture is REGRESSING. (I would indeed MUCH prefer living under medieval Islamic rule to that of the Wahhabi Sunnis or the Shi'ite Ayatollohas of today!)
Anyway, vindalf, you are all sound and fury and no substance. You hate Christianity and Christians and our Christ and your strongest arguments are either off-topic or ad hominem, showing that you are whistling past the graveyard of failed paganism. (And you can have your Yggdrasil -- roots and all! ;-) ).
By the way, it humors me when you call me a wingnut. Very amusing.
-- gunjam
All this proves what? Once again: Go live in Syria, Iran, or Yemen and try to post this kind of stuff in a public forum. You will not be tolerated; yet you are tolerated in Western Europe(for now anyway, until the jihadists finally take over there, as they are apparently well on their way to doing) and North America.
BWA HA HA HA HA. You don't live here and you don't know what you're talking about, you template vicarious warblogging dipshit.
The Jihadists are getting kicked out. They deserve to get kicked out. We neither want nor need simple-minded bullshitters like them (or you for that matter) in the West.
If you listened to Radio Sweden or Copenhagen Calling you would know about trials such as this one. Apparently
Since you asked: I do indeed give serious credence to the possibility of there having been an antediluvian water canopy. Actually, the words of Genesis rather require it.
You just used the word 'antediluvian'. That implies you believe the world is literally 6,000 years old and that God overwhelmed it with a flood.
But which Genesis story do you believe anyway? Genesis 1 or 2?
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
I no longer have to take anything you say seriously. (BTW, I don't think the Universe was literally fashioned from the corpse of a giant.)
Regarding your points that there are pagan elements in our society today, I never intended to argue with that. The point being is that -- in the West -- the Christian ethic prevailed for centuries over the pagan strands in our society. That trend appears to be reversing at this time. However, most the freedoms we hold most dear now were achieved under the reign of the Christian ethic -- not the pagan.
Another shitty post hoc, ergo propter hoc argument. Never mind that democracy and the republic were both invented by pagans.
The reason the Enlightenment and civil liberties happened was because living under a Christian theocracy was a repressive nightmare. So that whole movement was really more of a reaction than anything else. You waved around the Magna Carta as an example of Christian liberties but fail to notice that THE CHURCH ITSELF was one of the grievances that caused the lords to write it: by kissing the Pope's dick and giving the Papacy a big fiefdom, then renting it back, King John 'royally' pissed off his constituency. And so that document was a milestone for the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Many of the major thinkers of the Enlightenment were of course deists and other freethinking, but religious people; and only in the Enlightment did atheism and agnosticism begin to become acceptable. Voltaire lavished praise on Hinduism and wrote a foreword to a lovely counter-religious screed by Jean Meslier. Methinks you should read it sometime...
But don't take MY word for it. Which of the American Founding Fathers are currently burning in Hell?
"Whenever we read the obscene stories [of the Bible], the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the Word of God." --- Thomas Paine
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." --- Thomas Jefferson
"The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy." --- George Washington
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity." --- Benjamin Franklin
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." --- James Madison
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." --- John Adams
Your pagan ingratitude for the Christian heritage that gladly grants you the freedom to use spew your vile invective speaks of the maturity of a spoiled adolescent who is proud of his ability both to throw out crude language on the one hand, and to toss around non-sequitur, off-topic factoids on the other.
So, Paine thinks the Bible is a bunch of violent, disgusting (and at some points pornographic) trash, like me, and that makes him a 'spoiled adolescent', along with an ex-clergyman like Jean Meslier (above). But you are right about one thing: I am an adolescent. Unfortunately I'll have much less time to wade through all your stilted bullshit when I'm attending univ.
You really do have a tenuous grasp of European history and philosophy, don't you? And you also seem to have a tenuous grasp of just how fun goading you into a towering rage is...
If you listened to Radio Sweden or Copenhagen Calling you would know about trials such as this one. Apparently
oops...that should have read "Apparently, we can deal with terrorists better than you can..."
I hardly threw fit about it: You are the one that made the turn of phrase an issue to begin with.
BWA HA HA HA HA...you apparently already forgot how you type-screamed "APPLES AND ORANGES, vindalf, APPLES AND ORANGES" as loud as you could.
I used an innocent little turn of phrase and YOU spun it into a little conservative crybaby shitfit, putting your foot in the mouth in doing so. So shut up.
vindalf, you are so enamored of yourself that it is hard to debate you. Sometimes you are denser than a brick: You still think there is an argument about apples and oranges?
Man, you must REALLY have a LOT of FREE TIME on your hands. I would have gladly said: Apples and Pears! (If I had only known of the phrase!). My EMPHASIS was for the purpose of arguing a point of logic, not of grammar or etymology -- something you seem incapable of grasping.
Rather than going grammatical and etymological on me, why not respond to the point being made: You were mixing two different issues. That is the point. Please: for me you are not worth throwing a fit over. (Sorry, to hurt your oversized adolescent ego, okay?)
And, for the reading public, would you please clarify the difference between what you call a "conservative crybaby shitfit" and an "evolutionist, anti-Christian, Odin-worshipping, adolescent shitfit" of the kind you have been giving vent to nonstop since you started posting here?
Regarding issues of substance: You write me off because i believe in creation? Go ahead: Christ, Moses, Paul, and many other greats did, as well. I will take their company over that of the self-adulating, Vindictivalf's, any day.
What do you think your evolutionary scheme gets you -- a three-day pass from facing the God of the Bible in judgement on the day you die, perhaps? (Good luck, sincerely!)
And by the way, you never took me seriously in the first place, so my beliefs about origins is, as usual with your wide-ranging, intellectual cherry-picking vandalism, of zero relevance to anything we discuss -- other than the observable reality that, as usual, you have an almost obsessive need to say bad things about the Bible and Christianity that is.. again, clearly adolescent.
No, I confess, Mr. V, I have never yet listened to either Radio Sweden or Copenhagen, but thank you for alerting me to their very existence. I will consider listening to them in the future. Meantime, have you ever listened to US radio talk show host Michael Savage? He is good stuff: Actually, i think you would like him, as he is somewhere between the two of us on some things. http://www.michaelsavage.com is his web site.
Regarding Europe's allegedly dealing with jihadists better than we do, I hope you are correct, because, frankly, if you read my blog, you know that I am very unhappy with the way our government is dealing with them.
However, I have read fjordman's former blog and he makes it clear that Scandinavia is full of Muslim-controlled, urban "no-go zones," where the police don't dare enter. As far as I am aware, we so far only have the Dearborn and Hammtrammck no-go zones in Michigan, and our country is vast in both area and population compared to Scandinavia. Thus, your claim of handling the jihadists better than we do rings hollow (sort of like your head? ;-) ).
If you Euroweenies are getting rid of the jihadists, more power to you, but i think your head is up your posterior on that one, because one of the reasons fjiordman stopped his blog was because we was liable to charges in his native Norway (home of your vaunted Odin-worshipping Vikings -- who are now.. apparently, largely, using your word, "pussies") for daring to criticize the jihadists in the first place.... So how does that translate into getting rid of them.
And what about the high rate of rapes of Scandinavian women by muslim immigrants? Got that under control, yet? Didn't thinks so, big-mouth. (P.S. That is not a problem, YET, anyway, here in the US.) Maybe your boy Odin is asleep on the job?
Incidentally, thank you for admitting that you are an adolescent. Really I was concerned that, if you were an adult, that you were perhaps suffering from arrested emotional development.
As to your canard about there being allegedly two (and, are you also saying contradictory?) creation stories in the early chapters of Genesis, that argument is soooo 1940s. Please, we are way past that now. There are so many chapters written debunking that lame view that you are showing your ignorance like the dirty underwear you are probably wearing. Please save your puerile bwahahahas for points of substance, okay? And, please, i recommend you stay away from biblical arguments, as you have all the spiritual discernment and hermeneutical skills of a wild bull on viagra in a china shop. (By the way, that is ZERO, in case you didn't get my joke.)
The most hilarious thing of all are your repeated orders to me on my own blog to "shut up." Only a spoiled adolescent (or, perhaps, a thug) could be so obtuse. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy Vindalf never spanked precious little Junior's ass when he was growing up? ;-)
Voltaire was a known infidel. You are just finding that out? Congratulations, sonny! (By the way, it is reported that Voltaire went out of this life on his deathbed screaming -- out of fear of God and hell.)
Your hauling out of the threadbare arguments that Paine, Jefferson, and Franklin were not devout Christians is old news on the one hand, and not at all germane to our current discussion on the other.
And, as far as Jefferson and Franklin are concerned, they both did MUCH to promote Christianity's influence in this country's early days despite their misgivings about some of its tenets.
For instance, Jefferson wrote:
I concur with the author in considering the moral precepts of Jesus as more pure, correct, and sublime than those of ancient philosophers.
and Franklin wrote:
I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that "except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.
Paine was a known infidel. We admire him for his political thought, not his inept theologizing. Don't throw him out and expect me to defend his unbelief. Where did you come up with Paine in our discussion? I sense you are getting desperate.
Regarding your quotes by Geo. Washington and James Madison, I can only surmise that your foot hurts, because it just took a direct, self-inflicted round. This country, unlike most of Europe was not founded with a state-approved church. That is Washington's (and Madison's) point exactly. That this country and its Constitution were largely founded and shaped by God-fearing and Bible-believing men has been well established. (Try reading something besides the liberal pap you are fed in your European schools for a change.)
Regarding your cherry-picked statement by John Adams, I say: Take the whole man, not just one out-of-context quote. I will match your statement with this one -- also by Adams:
[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.
Then i will trump you with two more by the same individual:
this one:
[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
and this one:
The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If "Thou shalt not covet," and "Thou shalt not steal," were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free.
So, what was your point about Adams, again?
Regarding your assertion that i have only a tenuous grasp of European history and philosophy, sure it could be stronger, but i have a pretty good understanding of the reality that, over that past 200 years, Continental Europe as pulled down its pants and willingly bent over (free of charge, no less!) for every tyrant or tyrannical philosophy that has come along -- or, if some resistance was offered, it was far too weak to stop the tyrants. The Petains and the Quislings in Europe have, sadly far outnumbered the partisans with the cojones to stand up and fight.
The US has bailed your sorry asses out three times in the past 100 years -- WWI, WWII, and the Cold War. I sense this is part of your ungrateful, hateful angst so clearly set fort on this blog for all to see.
Now, as you European Odin boys permit your countries to be overrun by Muslims, and you lose your cultures and your languages, you just may be on your own this time.
On this latter point, I would most gladly be wrong, but i see France as largely a lost cause, England as iffy, and Scandinavia as very borderline.
If I am wrong, that is great, I never want to see Europe become what Oriana Fallaci feared -- Eurabia.
Happy New Year, Mr V!
-- gunjam
Do something to prevent the destruction of Western Civilization:
Cut n' paste an angry screed onto a website.
Send a semicoherent e-mail to all of your friends.
Mutter angrily under your breath as you watch The O'Reilly Factor.
Run down to your local recruiting center and...
...well, let's not get carried away.
That trite story about Voltaire's death was a crock of shit meant only to swallowed hook, line, and sinker by gullible fucks and troll-feeders like you. This is an excerpt of a letter by one Dr. Burard who was present at Voltaire's death:
"I feel happy in being able, while paying homage to truth, to destroy the effects of the lying stories which have been told respecting the last moments of Mons. de Voltaire. I was, by office, one of those who were appointed to watch the whole progress of his illness, with M.M. Tronchin, Lorry, and Try, his medical attendants. I never left him for an instant during his last moments, and I can certify that we invariably observed in him the same strength of character, though his disease was necessarily attended with horrible pain. (Here follow the details of his case.) We positively forbade him to speak in order to prevent the increase of a spitting of blood, with which he was attacked; still he continued to communicate with us by means of little cards, on which he wrote his questions; we replied to him verbally, and if he was not satisfied, he always made his observations to us in writing. He therefore retained his faculties up to the last moment, and the fooleries which have been attributed to him are deserving of the greatest contempt, It could not even be said that such or such person had related any circumstance of his death as being witness to it; for at the last, admission to his chamber was forbidden to any person. Those who came to obtain intelligence respecting the patient, waited in the saloon, and other apartments at hand. The proposition, therefore, which has been put in the mouth of Marshal Richelieu is as unfounded as the rest.
Paris, April 3, 1819. (Signed) BURARD.82"
You are more likely to be struck dead by Mjolnir (1 in 55,928 chance for death by lightning) than a-cuz of the t-t-terrorists under your bed (1 in 88,000).
I would be especially cautious of storms if I were you because I pray every evening.
BTW---I told one of my coworkers (like me, a fan of TR00 M3T4L) there is this guy from Texas who thinks I need to come to Jesus. He first said to "tell him he's a fucking idiot" then thought about it for a moment and told me to "ask him if he has horns on his head".
Do you?
The most hilarious thing of all are your repeated orders to me on my own blog to "shut up." Only a spoiled adolescent (or, perhaps, a thug) could be so obtuse. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy Vindalf never spanked precious little Junior's ass when he was growing up? ;-)
You fed the troll. You lose.
I get along with most people just fine. But when I find a pompous Xian ass like yourself on 'the Internets' (as former spoiled adolescent, now spoiled world leader, G Dubya, would put it)---it's Troll Time. Because you stupid fucks fall for the same old flames every time, I just can't pass up the opportunity.
But, hey, look on the bright side: if I didn't read your desolate no-comment wingnut blog, no one else would. So be glad that I give you company and be even more glad that I have treated you with far greater kindness than my ancestors would have if they caught you spewing this Buy Bull nonsense.
Voltaire wasn't an atheist, anyway; he was a Deist. I'm not entirely sure what Rousseau was (a real hero IMO), but Catholics and Calvinists both hated him, so he must not have been altogether too bad.
And what about the high rate of rapes of Scandinavian women by muslim immigrants? Got that under control, yet? Didn't thinks so, big-mouth. (P.S. That is not a problem, YET, anyway, here in the US.) Maybe your boy Odin is asleep on the job?
Well, Jesus invented democracy (cough: Athens) and the republic (cough: Rome), and then wrote the Bill of Rights, and now he speaks through George W. Bush with divinely inspired phrases like "make the pie higher" and "the Google on the Internets", oh and let's not forget "it would be a lot easier if I was the dictator *hehehe*", so I'm sure SuperJesus will save us from this one, too. Nu?
You are right about one thing: sometimes, foreign invaders overrun the native population of a country, killing, raping, and spreading pestilence until there's almost nothing left. And sometimes, the foreigners enter a New World well before, oh, I don't know, Columbus, and coexist peacefully with the inhabitants---but that's another story altogether. Anyway, That's the fate the Norns hand down to us, and we must accept it.
On the bright side, though, there is usually a process of reconciliation and understanding that happens afterwards---Baldr arises from death! The white Australians and South Africans, although not quite exemplary, have made some very big and important strides in this area.
But the question remains: will the Americans ever do the same for their indigenous people?
All this time spent bloviating at the Bullshit Pulpit to the only parishoner in the pews, a self-absorbed teenager whose wireless headphones are drowning out your sermons with Viking melodeath, when you could be out there saving the innocence of our white wimmen from the dark armies---the dark, murdering armies of Eurasi...UH, I MEAN: ARABISTAN.
Shame on you.
This is what you sound like, asswipe:
They are the dark armies---the dark, murdering armies of Arabia.
In the barren deserts of Africa and India---on the coasts of Australasia---courage, strength, and youth are sacrificed---sacrificed to barbarians, whose only honor is atrocity.
But even as we grasp at victory---there is a cancer, an evil tumour---growing, spreading in our midst. Shout, shout---shout out his name!
Vindalf!
Nothing the Republican Party says is true.
Nothing the Republican Party does is good.
Even McJesus himself isn't real.
BTW---I found that 'Jesus Never Existed' site on the blog of a (politically) conservative Jew, whose opinions were, in the main, distinctly disagreeable to me.
He therefore retained his faculties up to the last moment, and the fooleries which have been attributed to him are deserving of the greatest contempt, It could not even be said that such or such person had related any circumstance of his death as being witness to it; for at the last, admission to his chamber was forbidden to any person.
Like Voltaire said: "There are too many JammedBrains and too few Mesliers"
Well, Jesus invented democracy (cough: Athens) and the republic (cough: Rome), and then wrote the Bill of Rights
How could I have forgotten that Captain Jesus invented the Althing, too?
I'm sorry I didn't mention it earlier.
Where is the contemporaneous record of Jesus' existence anyway? Is there any?
Hey, asshole, this explains part of the Jihadist problem you like to bloviate about. Who was that fighting the US proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan again? I'll give you two hints: starts with a 'Ta-' and ends with an '-an'. (It's not 'Tajikistan'.)
Which horse's asses equipped those foaming-at-the-mouth zealots anyway? Errr...once you figure that out, you can work on what president furnished Iran with all those American toys-that-go-boom.
Our hands are clean. In fact, the only people fighting the good fight in Darfur now are the Danes (I think).
"The enemy of the enemy, the enemy of the enemy, is a friend...'til he's the enemy again" --- Asian Dub Foundation
Who deposed the elected government of Iran anyway?
I just realized that the more bullshit I link to on this blog, which is, for all practical intents and purposes, now mine, I incrementally dilute any PageRank algorithmic blessing you could hope to pass on to all the frivolous warblogging horseshit you include in your blog roll.
Man, I kick ass.
I get along with most people just fine. But when I find a pompous Xian ass like yourself on 'the Internets' (as former spoiled adolescent, now spoiled world leader, G Dubya, would put it)---it's Troll Time. Because you stupid fucks fall for the same old flames every time, I just can't pass up the opportunity.
He was a cheerleader, too.
Further proof that the only things as come from Texas are steers and queers.
Comment #42 --- just had to...it's the Answer!
Gee, you're right, I think I would like Michael Savage---his childish antics, not his opinions and rhetoric. Apparently he got fired from MSNBC for telling one of his callers to "get AIDS and die". What a guy!
That's almost as good as Bill O'Reilly's falafel fetish...
typical teenager: saying this blog is now for all practical purposes yours? what a self-centered little boy.
Since you never gave me a straight answer, I will assume that i am correct that sweet liberal scandinavian mommy and daddy never whipped your little butt -- so now you think you are the center of the universe (oh, and of this blog, too!).
You have never acknowledged the exis tence of fjordman and his blog and his clear delineation of the way the jihadists are running amok in scandinavia. You had no cogent answer except some mealy-mouth comment about some sort of reconciliation (which runs totally counter to all your brave Odin-worship, he-man, i-am-a-viking posturing.
If you were HALF the viking you let on, you would be kicking jihadist ass on a weekly basis. (But, I know that they would, instead likely hand you your sorry white ass on a platter.)
Regarding the training of the jihadists under Reagan, what a newsflash! You don't say? Bet you think you invented the wheel, too? Try reading some Kipling. Afghanistan -- the poorest non-African country on the planet -- has been the scene of western armies fighting to restrain the excesses of the jihadists for years and years.
You are great at name-calling. Do you really think that enhances your arguments? I laughed very loudly at some of your posts! You are humorous -- you know about the horns on my head and the steers and queers from texas, and the fact that your friend said something uncomplimentary.
Truly, vindalf, your adolescent fuming is entertaining!
By the way, if i am incorrect about the details of Voltaire's last hours, I am happy to be corrected. Thank you for your info: I will have to look into this further.
Either way, barring a death-bed conversion, I suspect Voltaire is not in a very nice place right now -- not that his writings were devoid of value.
That is the thing that ultimately puts the lie to all the false religions (including the worship of Odin): eternal judgement by a Holy God.
None of us can withstand that scenario absent an advocate and the only advocate recognized in the Scriptures is the LORD Jesus Christ, who took upon Himself the sins of His elect.
I pray that you do find Him in due time.
I did not find Christ until I was older than you.... so.. one never knows.
all for now, Mr V!
Cheers,
--gunjam
typical teenager: saying this blog is now for all practical purposes yours? what a self-centered little boy.
And still you keep feeding the troll. Unbelievable.
Anyway what I said about the PageRank algorithm holds true.
I suppose a warblogging ass-birth like yourself who pontificates almost daily to no one is the pinnacle of all humility.
Since you never gave me a straight answer, I will assume that i am correct that sweet liberal scandinavian mommy and daddy never whipped your little butt -- so now you think you are the center of the universe (oh, and of this blog, too!).
We're immigrants from Isan in the northeast of Thailand. My parents didn't slap my ass much (except when I was little) but it's not like they never punished me.
On the other hand, I have to watch out for Dubya's degenerate brother, Neil Bush, trying to tap my ass all the time.
You have never acknowledged the exis tence of fjordman and his blog and his clear delineation of the way the jihadists are running amok in scandinavia. You had no cogent answer except some mealy-mouth comment about some sort of reconciliation (which runs totally counter to all your brave Odin-worship, he-man, i-am-a-viking posturing.
You take a metal fan way too seriously.
But when are you going to give your native population their due, Tex? When the South rises again? AH HA HA HA
If you were HALF the viking you let on, you would be kicking jihadist ass on a weekly basis. (But, I know that they would, instead likely hand you your sorry white ass on a platter.)
White? Who said white?
Regarding the training of the jihadists under Reagan, what a newsflash! You don't say? Bet you think you invented the wheel, too? Try reading some Kipling. Afghanistan -- the poorest non-African country on the planet -- has been the scene of western armies fighting to restrain the excesses of the jihadists for years and years.
Restrain the Jihadists---by training the Jihadists! Brilliant!
That is the thing that ultimately puts the lie to all the false religions (including the worship of Odin): eternal judgement by a Holy God.
None of us can withstand that scenario absent an advocate and the only advocate recognized in the Scriptures is the LORD Jesus Christ, who took upon Himself the sins of His elect.
That immediately reminds me of this awesome 'Even Stevens' comedy segment on the Daily Show in the US:
Colbert: Steve, this debate is about religion; let's discuss it rationally. Now, think about it---if you were God, would you manifest Your divine glory to a shepherd in a cave in Saudi Arabia in the 7th century, or as the son of a carpenter in a manger in Judea in the year 0? C'mon, use your mind! (Laughter.)
Carell: Steven, what part of "there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet" don't you understand? (Laughter.) Look---let's assume for the sake of argument that your God is the one true God; that would mean Allah is not the one true God, which we know He is! Don't you see your logic eats itself? (Laughter.)
Colbert: First off, it's not my logic, Steve, it's God's logic, as written in the Bible, every word of which is true. And we know every word is true, because the Bible says that the Bible is true, and if you remember from earlier in this sentence: every word of the Bible is true! (Laughter.) Now (ha) are you following me here, or are you some kind of mindless zealot? (Laughter.)
I pray that you do find Him in due time.
I did not find Christ until I was older than you.... so.. one never knows.
But can I go on a twenty year bender first like Dubya?
PS---I'm not really one bit religious. You might have observed from statistics that very few computer programmers / computer scientists believe in any kind of God or higher power, with some estimates at < 10% (Knuth), but there again you didn't notice the histrionically over-the-top Norse rhetoric and the other statistic (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) that it's more likely regular-ass, nature-made lightning will strike you dead than terrorism, so you don't appear very perceptive...Jhee-zus fucken' Christ! Put it in perspective already!
I got the idea of trolling as a librul neo-pagan from a number of folk metal acts, like Skyclad and Amon Amarth, I learned about from friends. (My native mor lam is a hell of a genre as well---but nowhere near as grim, LOL X-D) It's been fun, but the facade has to come down already. It's just not natural for me even to pretend to invest faith in a religious system.
ALL religious debate, no matter how stilted or elaborate, ultimately boils down to the childish level of: "my God(s) (is|are) true because X says so, and we know that X is true because X says X is true", where X is usually a book or a person. That's why I can't sustain a religious debate. It's just too mind-numbing.
The current Prime Minister of Sweden, Fredrik Reinfeldt, is from the opposition, which also holds the majority in the legislature, so that kind of shitcans the histrionic nonsense about 'one party rule', doesn't it?
Look at the comments:
Native Swedes are all welcome in the United States, and their personal experiences with the Muslim Menace can only enlighten and alert Americans to the true danger that Islam presents.
It's my view that Sweden will soon fall into anarchy and civil war.
The ship is sinking due to dhimmitude and will soon be gone.
I grieve for Sweden!
AH HA HA HA HA HA...don't hold your breath...
Neither Swedes nor any other Europeans are welcome in the US if they intend to bring with them the same failed multi-culti and socialist ideas that got them into this pickle in the first place.
Only fighters and survivors are welcome to our shores.
Earth to 'survivoress': Eating chips off your chest while playing Halo 2 doesn't make you a badass
Where are they getting figures like "one quarter of Malmö's population is Muslim" anyway? I keep seeing wingnut sites parrot figures like this without citing any of them. At least I can trace my chance-of-dying-by-terrorism figure back to a reputable institution like the CDCP.
It's true that segregation is a problem in Europe. America (and Britain for that matter) had much of the same in the 60's during the civil rights movement. I wonder if you're old enough to remember all the riots; in any case, I certainly know someone from whose father survived the Newark riot...now that was a senseless mess!
There were several decades of great tension---and sometimes turmoil---but the black rioters didn't overrun the country and all the silly racist divinations came to naught, leaving everyone who issued them high and dry.
Nu?
typical teenager: saying this blog is now for all practical purposes yours? what a self-centered little boy.
Go ahead and tell me how I'm any worse than the average dimwitted right wing talk show radio or television host, you despicable ass-birth and pretend tough guy. I definitely rank higher on the civility scale than O'Reilly at any rate.
Now, to take a page from Michael Savage---considering that you come from one of the rootinest, tootinest, six-shootinest, spur-bootinest, and pollutinest states in the Union---I'm going to have to tell you to "get cancer and die".
Now go drink the pristine water off the shores your fine state and get cancer like I told you, you little queer.
Oh, one more thing---do you actually KNOW any Muslims?
Good news! Even warblogging chickenhawk faggots can use CherryPy with WSGI and FastCGI!
vindalf, your rudeness is exceeded only by your vanity. Let's see... do i know any muslims? That is relevant how? Do i have to know a Communist before I oppose communism? Do i have to know a murderer to be against murder? Hello? We are talking ideas not relationships. If your computer programs showed logic this fuzzy, they would never run. But, oh, yes, I have known a number of muslims over the years -- some quite lovely individuals, actually. Again, what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?)
Regarding your assertion that religion is ultimately based on childish assertions, you are not far from the truth in one sense... But your continued stream of vituperative against me primarily because I present a Christian world view in this blog shows that somehow you react very strongly to the childish foolishness of the Gospel -- something many converts to Christ did prior to their conversions. (Better watch out!)
-- gunjam
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